What really happened when the cameras and feeds were not on the house guests? This person claims to have been a camera person or someone in the control room of BB7 All Stars. Real or not? Very interesting information. You decide.
behindthecamera (BTC) Posted on Jokersupdate.com 11-8-06 – 11-9-06.. I am adding PM posts as I get them. If you get PMed with more info please let me know and I will post it here.
Here is how it all started:
For one night....and one night only....ask me a question about the game, players, strategies, pre & post game relationships.....and I'll answer what
...I can. I promised a friend who posts on jokers, that before the replays ended, I'd share some "behind the camera" info, or secrets with the best fans of BB on the net. I will also include opinions if anyone is interested. BB7 was a great experience for me, but definitely more difficult than BB6. It truly is a job like no other. Where else can you get paid to be a peeping tom....and stalk people who eventually become your friends. (well, some of whom become your friends) I had favorite HGs and there were HGs who frankly, irritated me to no end. Some were easy to work with...some were demanding and a nightmare....but overall, my time was fun and memorable. Anwywho, I may not have an answer for every question, and I can be detailed or brief....it's your call. This also comes with a disclaimer that I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, so it's up to each of you on what to believe. I'll also try to distinguish between my impressions and facts, when it applies. As one hg is famous for saying, at the end of the day, it is what it is...and the irony is, many of the answers to questions many have asked, have been answered if people paid closer attention. Then again, some of those answers will probably surprise quite a few.
Q: Did Erin break up with Will before the show or during the show or not at all.
A: That's a tricky one.... Will and Erin were dating when the show began,....and were very good friends.
Q: Do you know Emoryman, Rumormill, or FORV by any chance?
A: No..I heard of emoryman, but am not sure what story he was telling.
Q: Why didnt CBS tell the real story of how Will chased Janelle & pouted when she didnt pay attention to him?
A: Well, the whole Will/Janelle thing was unexpected and developed rather quickly. The original BB theme being pushed by producers, was America's Choice versus Producer's Choice. This rivalry never developed as intended. Instead of the Will/Janelle battle....Winnelle was born. Will/Janelle actually confused producers as well the audience. They refused to give DR material that matched their actions. When it really heated up, they used their positions and popularity as leverage to make demands of producers. Demands that in the end, were granted, after many confrontations. Simply said, Will/Janelle were a nightmare to producers and a huge frustration because CBS realized late they had a gold-mine ....but it was a gold-mine that refused to cooperate. Think of it like this......they were too real, with real concerns, real emotions, real conflicts....and most importantly, no script.
Q: I think we all really want to know about Aug. 22.
A: 8/22.... The day an arrangement was made with producers to give Will/Janelle time off live-feeds. Sort of complicated, but should be obvious to live-feed watchers.
Q: You already have so many to answer but I really have to know , did Will tell Janie to evict him????
A: Well...another tricky one....and complicated... and is mostly speculation on my part. The discussions regarding the final 3 were very heated and confrontational with so many staged and scripted moments, it's impossible for anyone other than W/B & J, to say for certain, what actually went down. One thing for certain, is that Boogie offered to take less of the split for the title of winner. Erika was the only person he could beat....so this could have played a part. Some of the other factors involved.....were that Janelle did NOT want Will to withdraw at the final three....as he had agreed to do for Boogie....if Janelle was in the top three. Boogie expected Will to keep that deal. He had no intention of keeping that deal if it was Erika in the final 3. I'll say this....while he knew he was leaving...it was not on good terms...and it was uncomfortable to watch the day leading up to it. Very emotional and no scripts involved. Alot of miscommunication and hurt feelings, and it made Howie's eviction look mild. Erika didn't play a role in his eviction....but played a huge role in the emotions surrounding it. She totally hammered Janelle with everything Will had said since day one in the house....and worse, revealed the one lie that Janelle could not get past. Erin.
Q: In sequester who bashed Janelle and what did they say?
A: I wasn't at sequester
house....but have heard Dani, James and Marci.......said
some pretty awful things about her....especially once Will got there. Things
also supposedly got more complicated with Will being told Janelle was just
playing him the whole time. Producers did get some much enjoyed payback by not
allowing Janelle to go to sequester house.
BTW...about trashing Janelle....Dani and James were the worst in the BB house as well. They really were horrible in the things they said about her...especially to Will.
Q: Will you let me know if there was any love between Will & Dani...I swear I saw her come out of the DR w/her Pink Robe untied when she was w/Will.
A: LOL....you joke, but we could have done a wrap-party-video of Dani...... ....and her adoration of Will. She was so attentive to him...it was funny. Her dislike of Janelle also bordered on obsessive....which in the end, I think...resulted in her eviction. (my opinion) She was constantly talking negatively about Janelle and some things...I won't even repeat.
Q: Payback against Will or against Janelle? Are you saying that people were poisoning Will against Janelle on purpose?
A: Let's not confuse
HG...with Producers. Producers and CBS
were not happy with Will and Janelle...mostly Will. He was a pain in the ass who
was impossible...and actually considered himself a producer...which btw, he
wasn't. His attempts to constantly dictate storyline was tolerable until the
Janelle thing. When this started....it was non-stop and when they teamed up over
the live-feeds it caused many confrontations. Toward the end, W/J practically
had total control...especially in the HOH...and even included replacing
still-frames...with live feeds. BTW...there is a delay on the live feeds, as
Keeping Janelle from sequester...was deliberate and Will and Janelle both knew it...as did practically anyone involved. They also refused them the opportunity to edit early DR's...something they had previously agreed to do. So, it was really payback against both.
HGs were different. I'm told with the exception of CG and Howie...the rest seemed to enjoy poisoning Will against Janelle. It supposedly got quite ugly and made a very confusing time....that much more confusing.
Q: They didn't show much of Chicken George in the DR. What did he say about the game in there? and what did he say in there we might find.
A: CG is really one of the nicest guys in the world. He treats crew great..... ....he is totally considerate and respectful and actually appreciates the effort it takes to make a good show. Of all the people who should have been miserable....he was instead the most pleasant. He's actually quite funny. Most of his DR's consisted of....him saying he couldn't believe he was still there. He was in awe of Will and Janelle as individuals and as a couple....he was blown away. He had many conversations with Janelle about Will....telling her to be careful, but warned Doc to do the same. He and Janelle were alot closer than the show portrayed, and he did eavesdrop...but was a clumsy eavesdropper. He was very fatherly....and at one point, did not want Janelle left alone with Jase as he witnessed an outburst that made him nervous. He would also speak into his mike to make sure a camera was capturing something he thought was funny or interesting....unfortunately, usually, it wasn't. Overall great guy....can't say enough good stuff about him.
Q: Why was the finale so brutal on Erika?
A: They were confronted with another boring and disappointing final two season finale...... ...and it was strictly a ratings thing. No hidden agenda or anything personal against Erika or Mike. Erika's complaint was that they never would have never done it to Janelle and they had just as much if not more material. Many people on the show, agreed.
Q: Who was your favorite and worst HG to watch?
A: Oh..this is simple, but
will probably piss some people off......
Favorite is hands down Janelle. She is so funny doing nothing at all....and if
you have Janelle in view....the reaction shots from other HG are a two for one
deal. She is also very friendly with the crew, knows everyone by name and
interacts. Unlike other guest who refer to crew by numbers or objects....she was
the exact opposite.
Will, was a close second....but he was very demanding and constantly directing and performing. Worst...is Marcelles. Hours upon hours of him doing nothing....or just wanting to talk outloud to himself as if that was entertainment. He was one of the biggest complainers too....monitoring how many cameras were filming who and for how long.
James was a close second.
Q: Does anyone working on BB have any idea what went on in those "private" DR sessions between W/J?
A: Yes. Doesn't everyone?
Q: In your opinion, were Will and Janelle Playing each other, or did a real relationship develop? Thanks!
A: Started off as playing.....quickly got real...after Kaysar's eviction. Very quickly. My opinion....Will wanted Kaysar out for a reason....and it wasn't only game. Fact...some HG suspected Janelle and Kaysar were a couple hiding their relationship. Will included.
Q: So because of their "deal" with the producers did Will and Janelle really think their showers were not on the live feeds?
A: They weren't on live feeds. Not the parts they didn't want aired.
Q: Does anyone working on BB have any idea what went on in those "private" DR sessions between W/J?
Q: PG13, R or X?
A: Umm.....I really don't want to say. I really think it's pretty obvious, no?
Q: It might be tough, but is there any way you could prove you work for BB? please? NT
A: Like my name, address and phone number? I don't think so. Maybe I can pass Petit's test...is she/he defines it better?
Q: Was Mike concerned about Will and Janelle's relationship? Did Will lie to him about the nature of it? Thanks!
A: Yes. ..but not concern over a betrayal. Concern over the original plan. Mike knew the truth....as Will learned the truth.
Q: Which truth? Can you elaborate? Thanks! NT
A: Game play....versus real feelings. Will insisted it was all game.....until Kaysar left. It quickly became evident it was becoming more....but he and Janelle both still insisted it was all game until the now infamous 8/22. Will and Janelle were both telling Mike the same thing....it's all a game, but he realized what was happening and even spoke in DR about it. I'm not sure if that aired?
Q: Boogie - crushin' on Janelle a little?? Sure seemed like it. Was that one of the reasons Erika acted the way she did towards Janelle?
A: Mike hated Janelle in the beginning......they ended the show great friends....and still are. Were actually closer than portrayed.
Q: Have you seen any of the HGs since the show ended? Did you form any lasting friendships? If so, with who?
A: Yes...and yes. I wouldn't
say we have lasting friendships....but have partied with some and gone to same
events with others. I'm presently working
on a movie out of state....but keep in touch with friends who are in contact,
The after parties were a blast.....but full of drama. Oh..and I went to the Reality Remix awards and it was insane. I guess I see and talk to Mike the most, and then Diane and Erika. We all frequent the same places when I'm not out of town.
Q: What was really in the slop?
A: I tasted it....it wasn't as bad as they said....of course, I didn't have to eat it for a week at a time. Reminded me of a very grainy oatmeal. Once they allowed the HG to add seasoning, it wasn't as bad. Cinammon, butter, honey, brown sugar, and stuff like that made it more than edible.
Q: I have read your answers up till this point and you have actually answered...what is the status of Will and Janelle's relationship now?
A: My understanding....they talk and see each other often....and want to keep their private lives ...... ..out of the public eye....for personal and some professional reasons. How did Will word it? He's not inviting anyone to their relationship? Most people who know them both, thought for sure they'd get together a few times, realize that what happened in the house would not work outside the house...and move on. So far....that hasn't happened....shocking quite a few people.
Q: What's the story behind Reality Remix awards? and what was some of the drama?
A: Reality Remix was
insane.....a room full of drunk and high reality tv stars.... ....each
vying for attention. It was fun, but crazy. Mike was in his element, but it's
definitely not Will's scene. Erika really looked beatiful but seemed embarrassed
when the bromance won best showmance. There was the usual awkward moment when
the Best Hottie clips were shown....and the room erupted with hooting and
hollaring when Janelle's clip was shown.
The drama at the after parties was strong to quite strong. All eyes, and I do mean all eyes.....were on Will and Janelle....who were still awkward with one another from the show...and there was one high drama moment after another....especially the party that Erin showed up for. Poor Kaysar....he had his hands full. A memorable moment was Janelle on the dance floor dancing to Don't Cha....with Mike. It was like the sea had parted on the dance floor and believe me....if there were flies in the house....people swallowed them as their mouths were left wide open. Mine included. The girl can dance....and I Mike's street credit...went through the roof.
Q: What was Will's reaction to being evicted once he was off cameras and done talking to Julie?
A: Very upset...not over the eviction, he knew it was coming. But over the way things went down...... ..he was still in the studio when the first competition was won by Erika....and they were calling for Dr. Zachary to go back in the house for Janelle. It actually was a terrible scene all around....and I just can't stress enough that these are real people with real feelings. There are times you want to turn the cameras off....as it's so raw and full of real emotions, you feel uncomfortable watching it. Anyway Will wouldn't leave until Dr. Zach came back out as he wanted to know what was happening and when producers once again refused to allow that contact...there was another huge confrontation. Will won.
Q: Have you heard anything about Janelle moving to LA? Do you know if she has been offered the appearance on TAR and, if so, with whom?
A: Janelle was offered the TAR spot, but I haven't heard with who....I suspect Will. I do know Will submitted his medical records and physicals that are a requirement. About LA....I've heard nothing about that.
Q: By the way if you're for real PM Me the AP on Sunday...she has brown hair and tall....because you guys are spilling two different stories
A: I'm sorry...you want me to PM you the name of who? Do you have any idea how many AP's are on BB? NT
Q: Oh I know... she worked with (K) everyone knows her and it was on Sunday that something was handled...do you know what im talking about?
A: Are you talking about Heidi? I'm not following you....is ''K" a producer.... and if so....in what role? We have segment producers, competition producers, consulting producers, story producers, coordination producers, field producers, show producers, ....and that's just to name a few. By "K"...are you referring to "JK"? If she worked with him...in what AP role? Segment producer? I think that would be Heidi...if we're on the same page...which I'm not sure we are. As far as Sunday....are you talking about the "big picture" warning?
Q: Do you know if Janelle and Ross are friends or more then friends? I see that you said she is one that also lied about her relationship in the game so I was wondering what it really was.
A: They were dating....before the show. But it was a long distance relationship and they were at that stage of not really knowing where it was headed. They enjoyed one another when together, but neither sat home while apart. Quite a few of the HG lied about the real life status of their relationships for game purposes. Kaysar, Howie, Janelle, Allison, just to name a few....and Will sort of exaggerated his. But he was still dating her when he entered the house and that was a fact. For whatever reason....instead of being upfront and honest about his relationship status with Janelle....he lied and said they had actually broken up and were no longer seeing one another. This was around the midway point. When Erika told Janelle that this was a lie.....it was the one lie she seemed incapable of getting past. She was totally honest about her and Ross, and not only did he lie about breaking up.....he continued to portray her (to the camera and other HG) as disrespecting his relationship and Erin. Not a smart move....even though he argued it was all for her and keeping her in the game. She disagreed. Mike and Will had quite a few convos on the matter.
Q: Could BB hear more of the W/J whispers than we heard on the feeds? If so, what were they saying to each other... Like, did Will really tell Janelle "I love you"? Did they each promise to break up with their significant others?
A: No..and it wasn't from a lack of trying. They were positioning mikes all over the place trying to catch it..... ...and couldn't. They were even told to stop which lasted all of about 10 minutes.
Q: You seem to be thoughtful and honest. What was your best memory of BB All Stars? Have you worked on previous BB's?
A: This was my second season.......would like to make it a 3rd...... ..unless other opportunities come up. There are so many great memories...it's hard to choose. I'll tell you who would have made BB7 even better had they stayed. Allison. She is a riot. You won't find a more entertainer drunk, than Janelle and a fake drunk Janelle had us on the floor. If I had to pick one favorite moment, it would probably be the food fight. I guarantee you it was the sexiest food fight you'll ever see on film.
Q: You have described much raw emotion that occured toward the end of the game. Do you think everyone is OK now?
A: From what I've heard...everyone is doing great. Erika is now in love..... ...some guy that really came thru for her and treats her great. She's taking a cue though to keep her love-life more private. Mike is great..he's working his ass off as usual....and it didn't long for Will and Janelle to sift through the hurt and lies and get back on the same page. They are complicated, that's for sure.....and truer words were never spoken when Mike said they met their match. The one thing I noticed about them during the game and since....is that they can't look at one another without smiling. Mike is still complaining it disgust him.
Q: What was Date Night like? It seemed to me that Will was determined to hook up with Janie despite his claims of love for EB...It seemed like it was more than game to me...
A: Date night was real in every sense of the word. No one in the house at the time, would argue otherwise. The only thing "game" that night was the "I have a bf/I have a gf" routines. It did complicate the game though...for both of them.
Q: Thanks so much for sharing your time. 3 questions - 2 are purely your opinion.
What can you share about any backlash from Will's pyscho hot tub rant?
2) In your opinion, what made Will say screw it and sleep in the red room with Janelle?
3) Why do you think most of the HG didn't like Janelle and bashed her?
A: Okay....I'm going to come back to this question later this evening or tonight..... ..I know I said one night...but it's my fault I'm so slow and my pecking is at a snail's pace. So I have go for now....run a few errands and I promise I'll be back later. Starting with your question.
Q: Do you know why Will didn't talk to Janie his last day to stay in the house? He talked 24/7 to keep her focused, then the last day it was like he gave up.
A: Because the plan was for Mike to win.....and they knew Mike could not beat Will...... ...and would have a hard time beating Janelle. The only person he could beat was Erika....and he was willing to take less of the split in order to win the game. Mike and Will had a long talk about it...and it was rather tense. Mike wasn't happy with how things were turning out.....and he knew Janelle in the jury would push for and vote for Will...and bring Howie's vote with her. Janelle was not happy with Will pulling out of the final three....meaning he'd go to sequester to campaign against her. Will wasn't thrilled with the idea either but his main obligation and loyalty all along was Mike and Janelle knew that....but I don't think either of them, anticipated how complicated the decision would be. (pure speculation on my part...but there are convos that address the same thing and quite a few emotional talks) There really was no easy solution....but then entered Erika and turned what was more or less a business/financial decision.....and made it personal. If you have the feeds....I'm pretty sure these discussions may be included.
Q: Are there
tapes/footage of the missing Will and Janelle moments, or were they destroyed?
A: Yes...there are some tapes. But when they reached an agreement for time off-camera....it involved turning cameras/feeds off. There are different types of cameras in the house...some stationary and on brackets and other behind the walls/windows/mirrors.....that are man-held and operated. When a camera is on...there is small green light on the side lit.....when it in pause/stop mode, the light is red .....when it is off.....there is no light period. It's easy for HG to distinguish when cams are on or off. The footage you are talking about....would be prior to 8/22.
When BTC (behindthecamera) was banned, people PM him questions which he answered and everyone shared because he told people that was fine (would have continued on the board but wasn't allowed)
Hare are the contents of the various PMs people received answering additional questions.
Q: Were you talking
about Janelle being seen at the Reality Remix awards
and dancing the Don't Cha....with Mike or somewhere else?
A: Re: Okay.....I'm talking about the Wrap Party..... ..and yes, Erin and Will were there, which is why it rated as probably the most awkward moment of the night. BB thought it would be cute to play some songs that Will and Janelle got in trouble for singing during the season....and yes, they lived in trouble. Things were tense, as their first few talks seemed to be getting mixed results. It wasn't helpful that those talks were causing major rifts with producers...continuing what had already become a confrontational relationship. Those talks btw...began immediately following her eviction...prior to the Roundtable.
By the time the Wrap Party came, things were tense, and it definitely didnt' help that Janelle was relying on Kaysar for support. Will and Janelle had already decided to keep their distance at the Wrap Party because of the firestorm of attention....but you could see it was difficult for both of them. Then there was the Kaysar factor. There is a reason HG suspected that Kaysar and Janelle were a secret couple, and that's because they do have this weird interaction with one another. It's very noticable, believe me. He's so protective of her...and she relies on him alot. (did you know Will nicknamed Kaysar the Iraqi Cock-blocker?)
Anyway...Janelle was bombarded at the Wrap Party with people telling her what awful things Will had said and done during the season. Former HG...media, fans, ....you name it, they were unloading. She was drinking and you could see it was getting to her.
Will looked like he was lost....walking around miserable and taking pictures and Erin didn't move from the chair she sat at the entire night.
Mike was drunk and was all over Janelle from the moment she walked in the door....and you could tell this was visibly irritating Will, who pulled him off to the side quite a few times.
When "Don't Cha" started playing....everyone in the room started looking for Janelle and Will. Will was sitting in the chair next to Erin holding Scout and Janelle was talking by the stage to some people. Mike heard the song...starting screaming....."Holla"..and all that stuff...and made a dash to Janelle and grabbed her on the dance floor. Well....they put on a show that I already described.
The dance floor actually cleared for the first time that night and everyone was staring at her and then looking at Will for his reaction. Erin turned to talk to some girl sitting next to her deliberately ignoring the show.
Boogie was grinning from ear to ear....and it ended with a big hug and them walking off with his arm around her...and the room erupting again in applause.
Ian walked up to Will who then whispered something to Ian...who then made a bee-line to Boogie and Janelle...and she walked off with Ian.
Another awkward moment was Kaysar and Janelle slow-dancing and Ian cutting in. Kaysar immediately looked in Will's direction and smirked like...cute.
It seemed to me that Ian was a goofer who had a job...and his job was to whisper to Janelle what Will couldn't? He was constantly going back and forth between the two and he and Janelle seemed to get along great. Just my impression.
Oh, and another moment was the Johnny Fairplay proposal. He is a character and he was dramatic about it, causing a crowd to form with people laughing at his antics. It was all fun until....he said something like...."I promise to treat you like a queeen and ...then added...and never call you a slut."
Well, those who were watching were like....uh oh...and you could see the pissed look on Will's face. Ian was a busy bee the whole night....and there was a time when no one could find Janelle or Will....and it wasn't long after that, that Will and Erin left. I think they were one of the first to leave.
Anyway...it was an interesting night...and they were obviously uncomfortable. Kaysar was calming Janelle down as the drunker she got, the more emotional she got. Oh, and the Burton guy from Survivor? He tried to get Janelle to leave with him and go to some club....but once again, Kaysar was there and like..."not gonna happen".
My mind is racing with so many interesting tidbits from that night....but that should give you a good idea.
Q: What is the current status of W/J? Why was she in Detroit with her BF? What did you think of the RP Chat?
A: Will and Janelle talk and see each other often. Her and Ross dated, but ended any romantic relationship months before BB began. They are very good friends and from what I understand....he has been awesome during this whole thing.
I didn't see all of the RP chat...just a few snippets from youtube. My impression, was that it was vintage Will and a very nervous Janelle. It's really strange seeing her so nervous, as she doesn't frazzle easily. I will say this, that was an angry Will and it was no act. I think Kaysar showing up.....probably didn't help. They really don't like one another....despite their public proclomations otherwise.
Will is not joking about wanting their private lives private....and both of them feel justified in lying or misleading the public when it comes to their private lives. They also have professional reasons for wanting it private as well....as it could limit possible opportunties for both of them....especially Will. It might not make sense to the average person, but they dont' know where this will lead....and if their very different lives will or can work together. They aren't a storybook fairytale where they whisper and stare at each other day and night. They fight, they argue, and when they do....it's just as intense. I doubt that changed when they left the house. Mike did a whole DR on how he truly was fascinated by them ....and how it's nothing he would have ever expected. I'm not sure if any of that aired?
Q: The re-feeds are
ending and more people believe that Will and Janelle had something real, please
can you tell your take on if they have a romantic future and how they got from
that point in the house to where we are now where they both seem so distant.
A: OH Hellataz...I really don't see how anyone can think what they saw transpire between Will and Janelle wasn't real? Yes, it was real, and it was probably more intense than could be seen on the feeds. It was confusing as hell...but that's what made it so real. They snuck around the house like two teenagers hiding from their parents....but instead of parents there were countless cameras and HG's watching their every move. Until 8/22, that is. They knew early on if they were ever perceived as a couple it would put a bullseye on their back...and it was set up that they would be rivals from the onset....so I can't imagine it was anything they expected or looked for. They made it obvious they were playing one another but when it changed it was drastic and it was rather quick...but it remained complicated. But any questions regarding realness....I think were answered by what was shown on the feeds and that was just a portion of how real it was.
As to where they stand now....all I know is that they do see one another and talk to one another often....that they are not going to advertise their actions...and they will lie and deny... because they want to keep their private lives private. I know people who know them best, are surprised it's lasted this long as they are two very different people who come from totally different backgrounds and have totally different friends and lifestyles. The idea that they could live in each other's world...was far-fetched for those who know them. But so far...they are continuing to surprise the skeptics. Where it leads....I don't think anyone can tell.
Q: When do you think Will and Janelle will feel it's ok to come out as a couple if they are one? Would it be before TAR and when does the summer TAR start filming?
A: OH, I have no idea...I do know that being linked as a couple could dry up some opportunties. They both have a pretty strong fan base in the reality world. Opportunities to do something as individuals....would quickly get trashed in lieu of something pertaining to them as a couple...if they were seen as a couple. While they are still exploring whether this is going to work......should they risk a couple scenerio that adds more pressure to their private lives? I dont know....but it is something they may be considering. The reality world is very demanding and it's geered toward real life scenerios....and once you're cast in a certain role....it's hard to be cast to play another. Maybe they are waiting to see if they really work...before they go public. If they do....they will have no choice but to go public, eventually. I don't think TAR really has much to do with it.
Q: A: From: behindthecamera
Hey....I'm not sure if they ever talked at the Wrap Party .. ..they both disappeared at the same time, and people were whispering about it....while trying not to call attention to it....if you know what I mean. Also....I should have mentioned that Erin did not look pissed at all....she looked more irritated that everyone was looking at her but trying not to look? I also heard that she did tell Will a few times to go talk to Janelle.....and that it was stupid they were trying to ignore one another. She was supposedly overheard complaining that they were calling more attention to one another by keeping their distance. Actually they should have listened to her.
I wish someone could have taken a picture of Will's face while she was dancing with Boogie. And of all songs....."Don't Cha"? Mike was hysterical as well. He's so hip-hop and when he first started dancing he was in that gangsta mode and she was too funny how she stopped him in his tracks...took his hands and was like....no, this is how you do it.
I think Boogie is almost memorized by her.
The emotions surrounding the eviction were impossible to describe. I think they were partly sad that their time together in the house was ending....nervous about what was waiting for them on the outside.....and conflicted that it was ending in a way that made none of them really happy. (my impression only) Will was caught between his best friend and Janelle and Mike certainly wasn't making it easy.
They talked alot to get on the same page, finally did....weren't thrilled but when Erika started in on Janelle it all changed. Will argued that Janelle had no idea how hard he had worked to keep her in the house....that it wasn't words, it was actions and he told her that over and over again. She argued that he lied, and that was an action....that he insisted he and Erin broke up, when they actually didn't and that he took it too far in the things he said about her and that he had played a selfish game protecting himself and his image....while selling her out, etc. etc. It was intense...and it was uncomfortable to watch. Then there was the issue of producers pulling back on the agreement to give them alone time off the live feeds to talk....giving them little opportunity to hash things out. By the time his eviction came he was not happy and by the time he got to sequester ....while I wasn't there, I did hear he was pissed. He had a run in with Jase who was telling him how she cried over Howie but laughed at his eviction. Total strangers were yelling at him...."Who's the Bunny now •••••" and he realized Janelle had said it after he left. It was not a happy scene.
About making up? Yes...it took a little time, but they made up and started talking it thru the night of her eviction....while he was still at sequester and she was stuck in a hotel room awaiting the Roundtable. Once again....pissing off producers. They don't listen to BB rules very well.
Q: PMed question about
Janelle and Ross Verba's (AKA Big Daddy) Relationship
A: Ross and her only dated a month or two...... I know this because Janelle fessed up about the real status of their relationship during the game. Once to Kaysar and later to Will. She wanted to play the game as being in a relationship. According to her, they enjoyed one another's company alot, but realized they were friend material and nothing more. He certainly proved how good of a friend he was once the show ended. She was stressing out from all the drama and he sent her a ticket to fly to Detroit and she took him up on it. I'm not sure how long she stayed, but she didn't want to go to the Dolce Party because once again, Will was taking Erin and supposedly she didn't want a repeat of the Wrap Party. It was a hot topic at the Dolce Party.
Some 11-16-2006 random BTC information:
BTC is unable to access any of the PM's at Jokers that
weren't previously opened. Either there was a lock or ban on his account. I
understand the skepticism, and I unfortunately only added to it with my clumsy
confession and apology, but I assure you, it's not a joke, he really does exist.
So far, I have found no reason to doubt him, but I also can't vouch for his
credibility. I've also decided to take a lower profile, since things got so out
of hand. I really don't care about what people say about me, but it does disturb
me when mini-wars break out with people fighting and all that silliness. It's
just not worth it, if you know what I mean.
I asked your questions, and it's a bit confusing. He said the showdown on the 22nd, involved numerous producers, most of who were not on the set, but were contacted in a conference call. It was very heated, and an agreement was finally reached. He said lower level PA's were the first confronted and it quickly moved higher up. (He remembers Nancy running around in a frenzy, so he thinks she was the first to learn there was a problem. Or, as the story goes, told to get the hell out) There was a disagreement between producers on how to proceed. He said some were strongly opposed, (like Allison and some guy Paul?), but ultimately they felt like they had no choice but to agree. W/J had already caused havoc by manipulating cameras in the HOH and there was an incident in the SR that caused friction in the entire house. Producers felt as if they had no choice but to give in to their demands, even though it was reluctantly. Something interesting he said, is that when W/J referred to a DR session with Miss Kitten, it was actually a DR session alone, with no cameras or crew involved. Meaning, there was no Miss Kitten....strange as that sounds. He said there are a few feeds with the Miss Kitten reference.
As far as the song goes, he never heard that song being requested or played. He said HG could request songs for wake-up so it's possible it played and he just didn't hear it or pay attention to it. He does know a song from Coldplay "What If?" played the morning of Will's eviction. He says it stands out, because the women on the set, were making a big deal about it trying to find out who requested it. He thought the song sucked.
I don't think guys get the meaning behind a song!!!
More BTC Info 11-19-2006..
Q: We were confused about your account of the wrap party, mainly about Will being annoyed at johnny fairplays proposal, but I think think Will was at that party at the same time Janie was, can you clarify?
A: Fairplay was at both parties, the Wrap and Geisher House. He proposed at both, putting on a show for both crowds. He added the slut comment at the Wrap Party, and also called Will a "dumbfuck". He's a vile and obnoxious man, but can be quite funny and loves attention. Janelle laughed throughout. Will was not amused, and looked uncomfortable, and then pissed. He was also not happy that Janelle walked around half the night with Burton's phone number in her clevage.
Q: Do you know about the BB7 dvd box set coing out? Will it include the food fight footage or will we ever get to see that?
A: Doubt it. Be careful when ordering dvd sets that are advertised as having previously unaired or unedited footage. They are referring to the tv show, not live feeds. They tried to clean up the food fight footage for the tv audience, but it proved too difficult. Noone wanted the food fight to air more than Will, he does have a good idea for what the audience wants to see. It is great footage, raunchy, fun, but too R-rated. Will wanted the piece of cake with Janelle's face on it? She gave it to him, but he was not prepared for where.
Q: Were Janie an dwill ever intimate in the house? OR did they make out a lot in secret?
A: As previously stated, once the 8/22 deal was reached, noone can tell you what took place in their much fought for alone time. There were no cameras and no one watching. Prior to that, were they ever caught making out and being intimate with one another? Yes.
Q: I heard Kaysar is really pushing for the TAR spot now. Has Kaysar submitted his health records for TAR as well as Will?
A: Don't know, but doubt it. All sources insist, it's been Janelle and Will all along. She supposedly credits Will with being offered the opportunity, and would never cut him out. Will is not happy with Kaysar pushing for the spot. He considers Kaysar a leech, who uses his close relationship with Janelle for his own advantage. Kaysar, accuses Will of the same thing. They do NOT like one another and Will thinks Janelle is naive and oblivious to Kaysar's true feelings.
Q: Do you think it's possible Janie would lie about Ross being her boyfriend, constently, cause she talks about him a lot.
A: Ross is a boy, and he's a friend. He is her "boy-friend". She talks about BD alot, and occassionally mentions Ross. There are examples of Janelle referring to Will as BD. She will deny it, as will Will. Noone will know, remember? Yes she will lie, yes she has lied. She supposedly cares alot about Ross, he's been a great friend, great support, and she has fun with him. Why do people think she should cut him out of her life?
Q: Can you re-confirm that you know or have heard that Will and Janelle have "seen" each other during the past 2 months "often".
Since Janelle has confirmed that he hasnt been with EB for 2 months. Thanks
A: Yes, they have seen each other often. Their friends have respected their decision to keep it private. Janelle has been to LA quite a few times, Will has been to Minnesota, and Will has a best friend who lives in Detroit. They have been to Atlantic Beach, and they will not advertise their private schedules and will deny, mislead and lie about when they spend time together. Her time in Miami, has been scarce.
Q: Between Janelle's eviction and the finale, CBS put a poll on the BB website asking for the audience to vote for Boogie or Erika, in case a juror couldn't serve his/her duties (or something like that). What was the deal with that?? Was one of the jurors threatening to quit or be kicked out for violation of the contract? Marcellous? Will?
A: Not sure, but Marci did cause quite a stir at sequester. Will did get in trouble for contacting Janelle the night of her eviction and they were both reprimanded for ignoring producers request that HG not meet after Roundtable at the hotel. But the reason behind the poll, was not common knowledge.
Q: Basically, what is BTC speculating about versus what does he know as fact in terms of the status of W/J, J/RV, W/E? Are J and RV really just good friends or more? And what about W/E? What does he make of the recent visits to NYC/Detroit?
A: FACT: W/J are seeing one another and exploring a relationship together. They will not admit it, they will not advertise their private lives. They will lie and mislead and not apologize or feel guilty about it. They also have issues, and don't know where it will lead. It's not perfect, but they continue to surprise the skeptics. Janelle has been accepted in Will's world, better than Will in Janelle's. Wills friends love her, Janelle's friends, with the exception of a few, don't like Will. The important people in Janelle's life, her Mom, Nater,....both like Will alot and have encouraged the relationship. People make way too much out of Janelle visiting Ross in Detroit and "IF" Will visited Erin in NY. They are not married, Ross and Erin have been great friends to both Janelle and Will, better than most people realize and neither should be expected to cut them out of their lives. If Will and Janelle have accepted their friendships with Ross and Erin, why do people find that so shocking? Yes, Ross does not like Will, but Erin isn't thrilled with Janelle either. Word is, Will is bothered more by her spending time with Kaysar, than Ross.
Interesting side note: According to Mike, Nate supposedly agrees with him, that Janelle has met her match. Nate had a long talk with Will after Janelle flew off to Detroit and told him that he knew Janelle fell hard for him by the feeds, and she was confused and upset by what other people were telling her. He told Will, that he had lied about the one thing Janelle has NEVER forgiven a guy for lying about. He explained it's a personal issue that dates back to her childhood, that she despises cheating and cheaters and that he made her one on national tv. The idea that she was trying to get past it, was shocking to Nate, and proof that she really cared about him. He gave some good insight into Janelle, and how she pretends to be a tough bad ass, but isn't and he pretty much laid it on the line, explaining her actions and why she does the things she does, and why she left and what she really wanted, what she feared, etc. etc. Nate told Will, that if he didn't feel the same way about Janelle, or if it was still a game to him, to end it now, or it would end bad and he didn't want to see her hurt. Will convinced Nate it was real.
Q: Did W tell J before he was evicted that he and Erin were still together and that he had misled her (J) to think otherwise? We all definitely heard him tell her that they were broken up, but did he come clean and tell her that they weren't broken up before she gave him the boot?
A: Erika told her, and then Will admitted it. Janelle was very upset and it was a very emotional confrontation. It was dramatic and uncomfortable to watch.
Q: More details on 8/22, please. If W/J had an arrangement with producers for time off the live feeds, how did it work?
A: Usually one or both would visit the DR and tell them when and where they wanted the feeds cut. Since the feeds are delayed, there were also times that they would simply speak into their mikes and address the PA's to cut the feeds. Singing was also used to cut away, and once cut, only the flames remained. It's actually easy to spot when the feeds were being redirected or cut. J/W could not manipulate the audio, without removing or repositioning mikes, so there were noticable slip ups. One example: W&J late one night, went to the ant room and awoke a sleeping Mike. They told him some story, and then announced they were going to play cards in the BY. While they were walking back from the ant room, Will covered his mike, motioned to the camera up above, and then on cue, the feed switched back to Mike sleeping. But you could hear Will whisper, "let's get in bed". Janelle mumbled something back, and then Will is heard saying, "uh, yeah!". The whole time the cameras stayed on Mike sleeping in the bed. You then heard the sliding glass door open and close quickly, leading the viewer to think they were in the BY playing cards. They weren't. An hour or so elapses, and feeds are back, W/J now in BY, on sofa. That's just one example of W/J manipulating feeds with BB's help for time alone off the cameras. It was a very difficult process.
Another somewhat funny example was J&W in the shower, singing to turn off the feeds, which is something they did often. When the flames stopped and cameras started recording again, they were on oppostite sides from where they stood before the flames. Crew thought this was very funny as they had been drinking and couldn't remember where they started.
They were indeed a nightmare to work with. Many of the lockdowns were the result of Will and Janelle, breaking cameras in and out of the house. Even after the 22nd, Will and Janelle were not 100% comfortable with the cameras, doubting at times whether they were off. One night/early morning, they were in the hot tub, all cameras appearred to be off, as agreed, but Will noticed a pole camera move. He went to drape a towel over it, and accidently broke it. FYI, the warning about Will having to pay for equipment he broke, was actually over cameras and mikes that were broken in their attempt to get time off the feeds.
Q: Any examples of when producers substituted still frames for live action on the feeds with W/J? Did they let W/J know when they were going to do it?
A: Yes, W/J knew about the still frames but knew they had no control over audio. I gave one example above. Audio could not be cut, as all HG were recorded and hooked up to same system. Some examples of still feeds: CG sleeping on all 4 cams, W/J/D sleeping on 2 cams/CG on 2 cams, and W & J sleeping in two separate beds. During those still frames, W/J were actually in BY on red sofa, where they spent alot of time, when other HG were sleeping. Still frames were noticable if you paid attention. For instance, W & J both asleep in two different beds, when cameras switched to still frame. When switched back to live recording, Will's t-shirt was in Janelle's bed. Or, Janelle's hair in pony tail prior to a still frame, and then down when switced back to live recording. There are actually dozens of similar examples.
Q: More details on date night, please. What really happened during the time W/J were off camera and she had different clothes on when they came back?
A: Date night was after the 22nd, and feeds to HOH were cut and stayed off once W/J cut the feeds with music. It's not like W/J cut the feeds and allowed people to watch, that was all part of the agreement. But, soon after Mike entered the room, he was picking up cards on the floor, on the side of the bed, and he found more than just cards on the floor. This is captured on the feeds. This was also when Mike became really concerned about their relationship and realized it wasn't only game play as W/J had been claiming. Mike was visibly irritated afterwards as he realized Will had been lying to him.
Q: What do you know about TAR? Are they really not interested in Will, or does he not want to do it?
A: Will was always interested in TAR, and partly agreed to do BB7, in hopes it would solidify the TAR deal. He and Erin had already approached CBS . This was another bomb Erika dropped on Janelle at the end that really upset her. Erika said that Will was trying to play Erin as the 15th HG, drumming up interest in her and their relationship and how he was producing a show where they survived the big test of being apart for 3 months, and the temptation of the buxom blonde. Will insisted that it wasn't true, that he and Erin had expressed interest before they started having problems in their relationship, which was long before BB began. He claims when he started to talk to Janelle about TAR, he was serious about wanting to do TAR with her, and he wouldn't have asked her on air at the finale, if that wasn't true. Of course, word did spread quickly at the finale, that CBS was expressing an interest in Janelle, and they were no longer interested in Will. (something Erika the blabbermouth couldn't wait to tell him) Ironically, Janelle was holding all the cards, when he approached Janelle on camera. Something interesting to note, the other options mentioned by CBS, were Janelle and Erika, (the two scorned women), or Janelle and Marci, (the gay guy and buxom blonde) and even Janelle and Howie was preferrable to CBS over Janelle and Will. Janelle, however, has stuck with Will, much to CBS's frustration. Janelle has actually fought for him. The ultimate irony, considering how it all started, no?
Q: Any behind-the-scenes info on Boogie/Will's TVGasm webchat? XXXXXX seems to have thought that they were very strained for reasons we don't know? Why does she think that, and what does she think was going on between W/Boogie? What does she think about the orange?
A: Yes, things were strained in the Mike/Will Tvgasm interview. Mike had been frustrated with Will's comments since the show ended that implied he was responsible for Mike's win. Mike feels as though he was never given the credit he deserved and he also disagrees with how Will has handled the Janelle thing. Mike does not like being used to throw people off in a drama Will continues to create. Also, this interview followed some chat that Kaysar gave on his website that managed to piss Will off. Ironically enough, the orange was suppose to be some kind of sign to Janelle, that he was thinking about her as they were hooking up soon. Janelle coming to LA, and Will's first trip to Minnesota were both coming up. Interesting side note: Janelle text messaged Will during the interview, about the orange, and whatever she said, it had W & B laughing afterwards. Will supposedly loves her R-rated sense of humor and she supposedly loves to shock him.
Q: BTC said something about an agreement that producers reneged on to give W/J an opportunity to "edit early DRs"? What was that about? How could they edit DRs that already aired, and why would they want to?
A: In the beginning of the show, Will and Janelle (especially Will) said some pretty harsh things against one another in the DR. These DR segments are edited for the show, but BB keeps the unedited versions to use at their discretion. If you notice, some DR clips would run in a BB promo, but didn't air during the show. In the past, BB used these DR's for gag reels and promotional campaigns, and there is always a chance they can be included in dvd releases. Will wanted to edit that early footage for obvious reasons, and they agreed on the 22nd, but then reneged, really angering Will.
Q: What does Boogie say/how does Boogie feel about W/J now?
A: Mike truly adores Janelle. They had some post-BB issues, over things he said in the house she wasn't aware of, but are great now. They have alot in common and come from similar backgrounds and live in similar worlds. He says he's never seen a woman get to Will like Janelle but he said they also have issues. Will and Mike both think Janelle is naive about how guys really feel about her. She flirts and doesn't realize she's doing it and she requires alot of attention, and tends to play games while insisting she's not. But she keeps Will laughing and he never knows what to expect from her. Mike thinks they are playing a dangerous game by denying their relationship, but understands their reasonings. He's not sure if they will make it, but thinks they'd have a better chance if they'd stop the games with the public.
Q: What kind of demands were W/J really making of the producers? Which ones were granted?
A: Time alone off camera, edit of early DR tapes, and Will tried to get producers to change the format of the final four to one where no one left the house. The person would be evicted but stay in the house and not leave. He also wanted a America's Choice where the winner got to pick a guest, and spend a night out of the house. He didn't threaten to walk over the last three, though. Only over the cameras. And he was bringing Janelle with him.
Q: Can BTC give more detail on the "beef" between Kaysar and Will?
A: Will suspected early on, that there was more to J/K than a friendship. Kaysar had warned Will prior to the game, that he should stay away from Janelle as she would mess up his game. Will thought it made no sense for Kaysar to worry about "his" game, so he suspected he had other motives in warning him away. He also complained that anytime he tried to have a conversation with Janelle, alone, Kaysar would show up and overall, he didn't buy the nice guy routine. He thinks Kaysar is a hypocrite as he lectured him about his behavior in the house and how he treated Janelle, when he feels he did more to help Janelle in the game than Kaysar ever did, and he accuses Kaysar of pimping Janelle out on the show to play Will, and then played his morally superior card, when it backfired. The Wrap Party really pissed him off, and they exchanged words at the hotel.
Q: In the pre-feed of the W/J realplayer chat, Kaysar said something like "Will is the biggest bullsh*tter" of all time? What do XXXXXX/BTC think that means?
A: Again, Kaysar does not like Will, and Will does not like Kaysar. It's fair to assume, Kaysar does not trust Will, and I think their mutual dislike was apparent at the RP chat. Will was not happy that Kaysar attended the chat, especially since the agreement was that no one else attend. Adding to the drama, was the fact that Will got ahold of some you-tube tape, that supposedly really pissed him off. It was some clip from BB6, and Will saw it as proof that Kaysar has more than just a friendship interest in Janelle. Kaysar doesn't trust Will, and thinks Janelle shoudn't either. FYI: Janelle left the RP chat with Will and Kaysar left with Bear. What a saga!!
Not BTC but interesting Janelle & Will Chat from the night of the VH1 awards 12-2-06: (verified by several people)
Here's an account from
someone who was in Janelle's chat a while ago.
I was only there for the second half of it. It was definitely Will. I heard his laugh, and I heard him talking really low to Janie, saying "This is weird," and I heard him say that we are super nerdy. LOL. And I heard Janie do her "Willlll!" stuff. So...I'm really just saying.
Anyway, here is the account:
"Janelle and Will made an appearance tonight in her chat room, here is what happened:
There were very few people in Janelle's chat room, when a Janie(guest) comes in. She asks if anyone is there and says thank you to everyone for voting for her award. She also said "have you all checked out WillandJanelle.com? That ***** is awesome".
Several people asked her to get on video, and she said, "umm no" leading people to think it was not her she also said "I'm so embarrassed". Then, her video all the sudden comes up and you see Janie in a white tank top surrounded by blankets laying down in bed and brushing her teeth. She was really drunk, and seemed confused. She appears to have told Will right before she turned on the video she was about to do that because we hear Will's voice in the background saying "baby don't do that they will know we are in bed together".
Her video shuts off but she kept audio on. She kept saying "don't worry they can't see us, it can't be recorded" In the background you hear a loop of a TV recording that says "welcome to in room video, select what movie you would like to see by pressing the menu button, enjoy your stay at our hotel" which repeated the entire time they were on audio.
Will at one point whispers "this is weird" he was clearly uncomfortable with the whole thing. Janelle then says goodbye to the fans.
As unbelievable as this sound, it absolutely did happen."
I wasn't there for the
video part, but I did hear the audio and I did hear Will laughing and asking if
we could hear him. Janelle was shocked that we already knew she won and that
pictures were already out. You could hear Will whispering in the background and
the TV was really loud and kept repeating something about, "Thank you for
staying in our hotel" or something like that.
Anyway they were together